Symposium: Women in Debate: Reflections on the Ongoing Struggle

Rebecca S. Bjork, University of Utah, Cori Dauber, University of North Carolina, Lisa Dix, University of Utah, Lisa Hobbs, University of North Carolina,Becky Kidder, University of Michigan, Jenni Ouding, University of Michigan, Joy Rhyne, University of North Carolina

1992 - Effluents and affluence: The Global Pollution Debate

"Just a world that we all must share
It's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be no more turning away"
A Momentary Lapse of reason - Pink Floyd


Throughout my years of high school and intercollegiate debate, I have repeatedly heard accounts of discrimination against women, sexual harassment, and unnecessary gossip. I have no doubt that most of the debaters and coaches reading this article have heard about or experienced such incidents. The intent behind this compilation is not to inform the debate community that sexism exists, but rather to present a wide variety of personal views and experiences related to the issue of women in debate. My hope is that upon reading the following essays, men and women alike will take the time to think about the issues presented and perhaps even discuss them with other debaters. The following accounts offer insight into the matter of sexism in debate-what "sexism" really means and why it has become an issue well as suggestions as to how the entire debate community can begin to deal with the frustration many women feel as they struggle to excel competitively.
---Jenni Ouding, University of Michigan

REBECCA S. BJORK
While reflecting on my experiences as a woman in academic debate in preparation for this essay, I realized that I have been involved in debate for more than half of my life. I debated for four years in high school, for four years in college, and I have been coaching intercollegiate debate for nine years. Not surprisingly, much of my identity as an individual has been shaped by these experiences in debate. I am a person who strongly believes that debate empowers people to be committed and involved individuals in the communities in which they live. I am a person who thrives on the intellectual stimulation involved in teaching and traveling with the brightest students on my campus. I am a person who looks forward to the opportunities for active engagement of ideas with debaters and coaches from around the country. I am also, however, a college professor, a "feminist," and a peace activist who is increasingly frustrated and disturbed by some of the practices I see being perpetuated and rewarded in academic debate. I find that I can no longer separate my involvement in debate from the rest of who I am as an individual.

Northwestern I remember listening to a lecture a few years ago given by Tom Goodnight at the University summer debate camp. Goodnight lamented what he saw as the debate community's participation in, and unthinking perpetuation of what he termed the "death culture." He argued that the embracing of "big impact" arguments--nuclear war, environmental destruction, genocide, famine, and the like-by debaters and coaches signals a morbid and detached fascination with such events, one that views these real human tragedies as part of a "game" in which so-called "objective and neutral" advocates actively seek to find in their research the "impact to outweigh all other impacts"--the round-winning argument that will carry them to their goal of winning tournament X, Y, or Z. He concluded that our "use" of such events in this way is tantamount to a celebration of them; our detached, rational discussions reinforce a detached, rational viewpoint, when emotional and moral outrage may be a more appropriate response. In the last few years, my academic research has led me to be persuaded by Goodnight's unspoken assumption; language is not merely some transparent tool used to transmit information, but rather is an incredibly powerful medium, the use of which inevitably has real political and material consequences.
Given this assumption, I believe that it is important for us to examine the "discourse of debate practice:" that is, the language, discourses, and meanings that we, as a community of debaters and coaches, unthinkingly employ in academic debate. If it is the case that the language we use has real implications for how we view the world, how we view others, and how we act in the world, then it is imperative that we critically examine our own discourse practices with an eye to how our language does violence to others. I am shocked and surprised when I hear myself saying things like, "we killed them," or "take no prisoners," or "let's blow them out of the water." I am tired of the "ideal" debater being defined as one who has mastered the art of verbal assault to the point where accusing opponents of lying, cheating, or being deliberately misleading is a sign of strength.

But what I am most tired of is how women debaters are marginalized and rendered voiceless in such a discourse community. Women who verbally assault their opponents are labeled "bitches" because it is not socially acceptable for women to be verbally aggressive. Women who get angry and storm out of a room when a disappointing decision is rendered are labeled "hysterical" because, as we all know, women are more emotional then men. I am tired of hearing comments like, "those 'girls' from school X aren't really interested in debate; they just want to meet men." We can all point to examples (although only a few) of women who have succeeded at the top levels of debate. But I find myself wondering how many more women gave up because they were tired of negotiating the mine field of discrimination, sexual harassment, and isolation they found in the debate community.

As members of this community, however, we have great freedom to define it in whatever ways we see fit. After all, what is debate except a collection of shared understandings and explicit or implicit rules for interaction? What I am calling for is a critical examination of how we, as individual members of this community, characterize our activity, ourselves, and our interactions with others through language. We must become aware of the ways in which our mostly hidden and unspoken assumptions about what "good" debate is function to exclude not only women, but ethnic minorities from the amazing intellectual opportunities that training in debate provides. Our nation and indeed, our planet, faces incredibly difficult challenges in the years ahead. I believe that it is not acceptable anymore for us to go along as we always have, assuming that things will straighten themselves out. If the rioting in Los Angeles taught us anything, it is that complacency breeds resentment and frustration. We may not be able to change the world, but we can change our own community, and if we fail to do so, we give up the only real power that we have.

LISA HOBBS
An experience that all policy debaters share is that of selecting or receiving a partner. There is undoubtedly a strategic function of most team pairings; coaches and debaters hope pairings will produce successful (by that I mean winning teams). Most coaches and debaters have strong feeling about what kinds of things should be considered when pairing a team--including such things as personal compatibility, commitment level, debate experience, intelligence, and speed. One of the considerations taken when pairings were made on my high school squad was gender, and it had a tremendous impact on my perception of females as debaters.
On my high school squad, we were advised that a team should NOT consist of two females if we wished to be as successful as possible. We were told that a female needs a male to provide "balance" to a team, while a male does not need a female to provide that same "balance." Two females might not be viewed as credible by judges and/or might appear as "catty," "too aggressive," or "bitchy." Two males, on the other hand, did not have to face these same concerns. The underlying message behind this pairing philosophy seems to present female debaters with a double bind. Either females lack what it takes to be credible (e.g., competitiveness and confidence) because they are female, or they are branded as "too aggressive" if they act with a certain degree of assertiveness. When females attempt to fit into a pre-existing, mold of what a successful debater is, they are frequently cautioned to avoid appearing "bitchy." Either way, the "problem" for female debaters is directly linked with the fact that they are females.

Unfortunately, the message I received in high school followed me throughout my debate experience. In the course of my seven years as a debater, I debated with both males and females. Quite honestly, I was reluctant to debate with another female; it did prove to be more difficult debating with a female than it was debating with a male. When debating with a female, my partner and I were described as both "too passive" and "bitchy," among other things. We would strike particular judges because we did not think that women would receive a fair hearing from them. In contrast, when debating with a male (of significantly less experience than my partner), we were not described in the same ways, nor did we feel we had to strike judges. However, there were judges that we felt we must continue to strike because of my female presence. So at least in part, I experienced exactly what I was taught in high school.

It seems that I am saying that the people I learned from in high school were right; females do need to overcome being "female" to be successful. To a certain extent, I do believe that being a female puts you at a disadvantage as a debater. However, I do not view being a female as something to be overcome. Males do not have to overcome being male." Females should not have to view their gender as an obstacle to be over-come. Instead, coaches, judges, and debaters must (re)consider how it is that they view such things as success, credibility, aggression, and competence. We must consider the possibility (I mean the reality) that debate exists with that which is "male" as the norm. Additionally, we must consider what messages accompany certain "strategic" choices. In my case, the way pairing decisions were made in my high school taught me that I was at a disadvantage before I even had a chance to debate. I do not have a remedy for what I see as some sizable inequalities that exists within the activity of debate. However, as a debate coach and former debater, I would like to offer the suggestion that if an entire gender does not "fit" into debate, we consider changing the practices of debate, not the people.

JOY RHYNE
Debate has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me. That is not to say that there have not been negative aspects. I think that it is important for every woman in debate to be honest with herself. We are unfortunately the victims of sexual harassment and discrimination, but I do not believe that means we are destined to inferiority. It is imperative that we fight against rigidly defined gender roles in order to become full and equal participants in the debate community--that is not to say that women must deny their femininity to be successful debaters. Instead, I think each woman should be true to her own identity; if her femininity is an important part of her psyche, then she should by no means feel compelled to deny it or try to hide it in exchange for increased debate achievements.

As a Southern woman, I think the pressures I felt within the debate community were great. At the beginning of my collegiate debate career I was not very focused on the competitive aspects of debate. My partner and I would win some debates, but what was most important to me at that time was socializing with other debaters. I do not encourage other women in debate to adopt such an attitude, but I also do not think that women who have such an attitude should be stigmatized. I found that as one of the few females on the debate circuit I was accepted socially by almost every other debater I met, whether they were junior-varsity participants or one of the top first-rounds. I was able to have fun with these people and it did not seem to matter that I was often much less successful in debate than they were. In fact, I think that it was easier for them to "hang out" with me because I was not in direct competition with them.

When I changed partners and became part of a first-round team, things changed. I can recall countless occasions when friends of mine virtually ignored me in discussions about debate rounds or issues and addressed all of their questions to my male partner. This kind of behavior marginalized my worth as a debater. It always amazed me that other debaters (who were my friends) could totally ignore me as a "debater"; I was only truly recognized in a social context. I think the social side of debate is important--some of my best friends are debaters--but every debater should have the opportunity to develop both the social and the competitive sides of debate.
I do not mean to imply that women in debate have little hope of becoming true equals to the men of debate or that they are destined to occupy only a social role and will forever remain at the peripheries of debate success. However, I do believe that feminine women face special challenges because they seem to fit the traditionally defined gender roles of our society at large. Women are not taught to be competitive; such ambitions are reserved for men. Argumentation itself has traditionally been associated with men because they are thought to be more rational and logical than women, who are supposedly driven by their emotions. In society, these views have started to change. Women have become successful in these so-called "male areas" and I think that debate as well will increasingly come to reflect these changes. A woman can be feminine and still excel at argumentation and logical reasoning. I fundamentally disagree with those in the debate community who would urge women to become more "masculine" in order to achieve a higher level of debate success. Giving into stereotypes will only serve to perpetuate such myths. As a debater, I resisted such pressures, held on to my femininity, and still managed to have a successful debate experience. I encourage other women in debate to do the same. We must fight the pressure and be true to ourselves; there is no fundamental reason why only "masculine" women can succeed in debate.

As a final note, I think that it is important for all of us to encourage more women (and minorities as well) to participate in collegiate debate. I know that many female high school debaters decide against debating in college because they feel the activity is too hostile to women. I think that this is a tragedy and that coaches and debaters alike should discourage such attitudes. After all, our society is sexist, but does that mean women should avoid becoming active participants and leaders? Of course not. In the same way, women should not shy away from collegiate debate. I can honestly say that I have acquired many valuable skills through my involvement in debate. Giving up is not the answer. Raising awareness will certainly help, but I think the key really lies with the women in debate themselves. We must decide to stay involved, encourage other women we know to participate, and most importantly, refuse to settle for anything less than real equality and complete autonomy.

LISA DIX
Karen Finley, one of my favorite poets, writes with power and knowledge of her experiences as a woman. Her poem entitled "I Was Not Expected To Be Talented" is for me a powerful expression of my feelings about being a woman in debate. The poem goes like this ...

Just smile, act pretty, open the door, and clean the toilet. You say one day at a time well, it's a slow death! Remember the homeless, the poor, the suffering. Well, I'm suffering inside!...You know why I only feel comfortable around the collapsed, the broken, the inebriated, the helpless and the poor-'CAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE WHAT I FEEL INSIDE! They look, they look, they look like what I feel inside! You see, I WAS NOT EXPECTED TO BE TALENTED.

I am using this poem to relate to my experiences in debate as a woman. I feel that it is important for me to be as honest as I can about my experiences, yet at the same time to relate a message that is positive for women who are entering the activity. The story I'm about to tell is a coming to terms about my "place" in debate as a woman. I am a policy debater at the University of Utah. I did not debate in high school, although I did do some individual events. From my experience in high school, I think individual events were sort of the "woman's place." I was not expected to be talented in debate; however, I feel that women can be VERY talented if they are just encouraged to participate. This is the reason I am writing this paper. I believe that by subverting the notion of a "woman's place" in debate, and by being able to define our own "place" as women, more women will be encouraged to participate in debate at the high school and collegiate levels.

The first time I was aware of my "place" in debate as a woman was at a regular season tournament. I was at the awards ceremony listening to the top twenty speaker awards; not one of them was a woman. Women were winning awards at the novice and junior levels, but for varsity women to win speaker awards was out of the question. I thought to myself, at least we were winning some awards, but my coach quickly told me that not very many women ever win speaker awards past the junior and novice levels. I guess I am very reluctant to accept that novice and junior debate is the only "place" for women. I am not taking anything away from novice and junior women debaters; my argument is that these women deserve a chance to win on the varsity level as well.

Another experience that reminded me quickly where my "place" in debate is was in a round at the beginning of last season. A male debater put his arm around me during cross examination and said, "chill out, babe." I quickly thought to myself, "I am not your babe," but I said nothing and immediately sat down. I felt very objectified, humiliated, and angry. By treating me as a sex object, that male debater quickly put me in my "place."

Women in debate have to deal with a double standard. If we are not feminine enough we are thought of as "bitchy," yet if we are too feminine, we are not taken seriously. I urge all women to hold on to both. We need to construct ourselves outside of the masculine/ feminine dichotomy-we should be able to have a place in debate because we are talented. At the 1992 National Debate Tournament, my partner (who is a woman) and I noticed that there were only four women teams at the tournament (76 teams total), and none of the women teams advanced to the double octafinal round. In fact, only four women cleared at all. Not one woman won a speaker award. I am proud of those women who were in the out-rounds. I am also proud of all the women who are in debate. It is time for women to demand a "place." It is past time for women in debate to be considered talented. I feel that if women are encouraged on the high school level to start and stay with debate, we will not be the minority or the marginalized. Only then can we truly get past being placed in a subordinate position; we will be able to define our own "place" in debate on our own terms.

BECKY KIDDER
I agree with all of the authors involved in this Project that the disparity in the number of men and women in debate is a phenomenon that needs to be addressed. My intent is to offer a solution for all women who feel they have been discriminated against because of their sex and for all the people who feel that unequal treatment of women occurs. My intent is not to "bash" men or to deny women's feelings. I have attempted to address how we can constructively eliminate discrimination based upon sex while focusing on the broader issue of why women are not more competitively successful.

I strongly believe that the most effective tool to combat inequity and to understand why women feel disadvantaged is open discussion and communication. If we are not willing to explore why we are not consistently in out-rounds and in the top twenty speakers, then we have already defeated ourselves. How can we correct this disparity if we cannot pinpoint the root causes? We can assume that it is due to an inherent belief that women are not as intelligent or talented, in which case we have not addressed how to correct the problem or founded our arguments in substantiated evidence. I cannot fathom how anyone can believe that the best judges and coaches assume women are less capable; I give the majority of this community more credit in their intellectual openness. There are two questions we must explore to evaluate why women are not more successful: why women feel they are not encouraged to participate and why they make the decision to quit. We need numbers, figures and evidence to discover the reasons why we have this problem, none of which have yet been provided.

I do not believe that incidents of harassment and bias based upon sex do not occur, but my experiences in debate do not support the conclusion that institutionalized discrimination runs rampant in the community. My own passiveness when confronted with this issue in the past not only serves as an illustration of how I characterize the debate community generally, it is also an example of what women must not do if they truly want to understand and confront the issues of discrimination and competitiveness. I did not debate in high school, nor had I ever seen a debate before my mom, who is an ex-debater, encouraged me to participate in collegiate debate. Despite such obstacles to succeeding competitively, I have continued debating; for the most part, judges and coaches have been willing to listen to my technical difficulties and inexperience and have still encouraged me to persevere. There have been incidents in which I felt that my sex put me at a disadvantage or that it was assumed that my femininity was compromised by my debate style and I was thus chastised, but I cannot be sure that this was the case because I rarely challenged it. We must be willing to spur discussion with those we perceive to be at fault for acting as oppressors. Those who use derogatory language must be challenged by competing voices. For instance, when you are in a round and someone discredits your argument or attacks you and you perceive that it is based upon your sex, why is it wrong to tell the person that you think they are confusing the issues, that their attack was discriminatory, and that they owe you an apology? What can you possibly lose? You will feel that you have prevented yourself from being victimized and everyone watching will be forced to evaluate the merits of the arguments as well as the issue of discrimination. This is the only way to bring the issue into the open.

We must be careful not to victimize those who never intended their statements and actions to discourage women. There is a big difference between intentional and unintentional discrimination. Many feminists would disagree with this statement, but I think that those who are misperceived due to choice of words or actions are the people who can make the biggest difference. These are the people who are most willing to change; labeling them as sexist only serves to breed resentment and foster defensive backlash. Those who do not intend to discriminate can only change if we make them aware that their statements and actions are derogatory; the lack of justification for discrimination will be exposed by such discussions. Granted, very few people would be willing to say that their actions are based upon a desire to discriminate, but questioning the foundations for their actions forces them to defend their position and forces us to analyze the credibility of the arguments as well as our own perceptions. Such critical analysis on both sides is the only way to achieve positive results.

It is the obligation of debaters, coaches and judges in individual college and high school programs and within the debate community to challenge discrimination, as well as to listen, provide positive support and voice their own opinions when female debaters are frustrated by what they perceive to be unfair treatment. If women feel comfortable sharing their experiences, then we have taken the first step to open communication and the advancement of women into the upper ranks of debate. Only when we become confident that our success is based upon the merits of our argumentation can we feel that debate is a rewarding experience.
The fact that I think we need to document the reasons why women are not succeeding does not mean that we should ignore issues of inequality; it does, however, mean that we should focus on understanding the complexity of the problem. "Isms" are very powerful. They make black and white what is really very gray. Open communication based upon a desire to understand and learn is a very powerful tool. Our best hope to promote diversity and tolerance is to reach out to others through communication--not to isolate them using labels.

CORI DAUBER
I never know what to say when people ask me if I think debate is sexist. On the one hand, I feel completely comfortable in this community; I've had positions of authority, and I have, after all, beaten men out for, among other things, jobs. Nor do I have any trouble maintaining authority with my male students. On the other hand, it is impossible to dispute the numbers. All you have to do is look around at a debate tournament. The percentage of women at the competitive and even more at the coaching levels is nothing short of appalling-and has changed little over the years I have been involved with debate.
The question then is, why are the numbers what they are and what can be done about it? It seems to me that, more than anything, women need to keep perspective and remember why they are in the activity. Debate is ultimately empowering-for everyone. It gives people the skills they need to succeed in the world. Is it harder for women to "break in" to the top levels of debate? I suspect so. Is there a shortage of female role models? Definitely. Does that mean debate is sexist? Perhaps in the sense that it mirrors the larger society it is apart of. More value is placed on the characteristics that have been associated with masculinity: aggressiveness, forcefulness, and the like.

What women in debate have to remember, I think, is two things. First, those traits may have been traditionally associated with masculinity but they are not intrinsically masculine. In other words, it is possible to develop those traits while remaining feminine. I was at a meeting once where one of the most feminine women I have ever met stood up in front of a room full of men (she was chairing the meeting) and said "OK, I've had it. Nobody leaves this room until you people are able to make a decision on this." Believe me, they decided--fast. Is that harder to develop those traits without losing femininity? Yes. Is that fair? Life is unfair. Do women have to work harder to gain acceptance in debate, and wait longer? I think that is probably true. What is the answer? I think the answer is the second thing I'd like women in debate to remember: why they are in the activity. Do you think you have been exposed to sexism in debate? Have you lost rounds you thought you should have won or not gotten the travel schedule you deserve? OK. Now what? You can quit, throw up your hands in disgust and say, "What can I do, the activity is sexist." That to me is cutting off your nose to spite someone else's face. The alternative is to say, "All right, debate is, in my perspective, sexist. I'm not in it to win rounds--although winning is nice--I'm in it to develop the skills I need to survive and succeed in a world that is far more hostile than debate could ever be. I'm sticking it out."

Not only does that choice benefit you in the long run, it benefits the entire activity. There will be more role models for those coming behind. There will be more women visible at tournaments, making an argument with their very presence. Although women may need more time, this activity is ultimately about competition. Win enough and you will not be ignored for long. Demand respect and you will eventually have it. Call people on it if you think they are being sexist and things will slowly change. The alternative is to deny yourself an experience that will prepare you for the world better than any other I know.

A final thought: sexism is a dangerous word. It should be used very carefully and with great consideration. I have seen too many women who, when unsuccessful, used the charge of sexism as a crutch. You have to be careful to fully evaluate your own performance and carefully consider the reasons why you failed. That is the only way to improve in debate or anything else. I am not saying that there isn't sexism in the world; there certainly is. I'm not saying it is easy to overcome obstacles resulting from sexism; it is not. I am saying that we do ourselves a great disservice if we are too quick to attribute our failings to that cause. Leaving is easy, staying is hard. But some clichés are clichés because they are true: nothing good comes easy.

JENNI OUDING
"When men are aggressive in cross-x they look dominant; when women are aggressive, they look like bitches." I'll never forget these words-spoken to me four years ago by a female judge after a rather heated debate. At the time, I saw this view as an unfair double standard, yet as I reflected upon the implications of that statement, I began to question my role and abilities as a female debater. When I graduated from high school, I was convinced that I would never amount to anything as a college debater, and decided not to try. Fortunately, the summer after my freshman year in college, one of the members of the Michigan debate squad convinced me to give debate a trial run. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I find debate to be one of the most intellectually rewarding and socially stimulating events that I've ever been involved in.

Unfortunately, I know that many-if not most-female high school debaters quit debate before college without feeling that they have ever really excelled in the activity. Though the reasons for quitting are undoubtedly diverse-choice of schools, academic load, parental desires, etc.-I can't help feeling that the double standard I first encountered four years ago may play apart in that decision. While I have no easy answers or advice to give to female debaters, I can only make one plea: Don't give up. I know that being female in a male dominated activity can be difficult if not just damn frustrating, but my personal feeling is that the only way to truly change stereotypes is to prove them wrong. This is the way I feel about debate George Bernard Shaw said it. "People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and if they can't find them, they make them." I can't deny that the circumstances under which female debaters operate are difficult, but no one will change those circumstances unless people speak out and try to instill in the debate community a more tolerant atmosphere. It may mean working a little harder, giving a little more, taking a little more ... but if in the end you can truly say that you have succeeded, believe me, the debate community will remember you for it. As more and more women come to be remembered and recognized for their argumentation skills, attitudes will change. And some day, though it may not be right away, that double standard that almost made me cut my debate career short will cease to be a factor in the decision of whether or not to debate in high school or college.

I hope that these essays have been educative if not thought provoking. You may not agree with all of the views presented, but hearing each individual viewpoint at least forces us to formulate our own beliefs and challenge our own ideas. None of us can single-handedly change the world, much less the entire debate community, but once individuals come to recognize the difficulties women face in competitive debate and acknowledge and discuss the complaints which many female debaters harbor, perhaps then we, as a community, will become more understanding and tolerant. Tolerance means instilling a conscience in those who view women as lesser competitors, but tolerance breeds respect, and I think we all could use just a little respect.